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It was scary to read how these 1984 quotes stack up agains defenders of “enhanced interrogation”. It scary how many people believe in this, i. e. torture. I think all in all its that conservative can’t come to terms with what a train wreak the Bush years were.
The argument that enhanced interrogation “works” is beside the point. Even if those under have in fact provided useful information doesn’t convince me it was the only way. Further more even if it “works” I think it’s wrong. Period.
Is that best illstrated by the fact that in our finest hours which might have winning the Second World War, we didn’t stoop to tactics used the Nazis or the Soviets during the Cold War.
I think you can do well by doing right. If you think that’s naive, so be it. I may not convince anyone, but I’ve stated what I believe.
On the psychology of the George W. Bush administration. I believe he is correct:
Paul Krugman: Shadow of the Torturers: After reading John Yoo’s attack on the president for not taking Osama alive and bringing him to Gitmo, I thought I might take a minute to explain something I sometimes say. Once in a while I mention, in passing, that the Bush administration saw torturing people as a plus, not a cost. And whenever I do, some readers clutch their breasts and reach for the smelling salts: how dare I say such a thing? But it’s true — not because they’re sadists, but because it suited their self-image.
From day one of the War on Terror (TM), it was clear that the Bush people reveled in the notion that they were tough guys, willing to Do What Needs to be Done. They were all wannabe Kiefer Sutherlands. Far from showing qualms about suspending the rule of law and using torture to extract information, they obviously enjoyed the idea that they were willing to go all the way, unlike those wimpy liberals. Of course, they never admitted that, probably not even to themselves. But did you ever see the slightest hint of reluctance or discomfort? Or did you see tremendous self-satisfaction as the acts became ever more abusive?
And so they are, inevitably, deeply upset that someone who isn’t a tough guy by their standards seems to be doing a better job of getting the terrorists than they did.
Paul Krugman: Shadow of the Torturers
J. Bradford DeLong
Sat, 07 May 2011 17:11:58 GMT
Posted in Torture
Guest Post: Everything You Need to Know About Torture
Sun, 06 Mar 2011 06:24:36 GMT
Here is a succinct executive summary of everything you know about torture:
Yes, Waterboarding IS Torture
- Everyone claiming waterboarding is not torture has changed their tune as soon as they were exposed to even a small dose of it themselves. See this, this and this
No, Torture Does NOT Make Us Safer
The Insanity of What Actually Happened
Other Relevant Facts
Should We Prosecute?